MEDIA ALERT: Charmaine on FOX on Abortion; see clip on Falwell Effect on MSNBC
Charmaine on an earlier
FOX appearance Data is showing that the public is most uncomfortable with abortion.
Charmaine will be discussing the trend — as Naomi Wolf said, “The fetus beat us.”
Hit time is 12:30 pm Saturday 19 May 2007 on FOX.
The proof. Charmaine appeared with Tucker Carlson to morn the loss of a pro-life leader, Rev. Jerry Falwell.
Watch the short segment here. Please forgive the extra click to the Family Research Council.
Thank you (foot)notes:
Our friend, John Aravosis called Falwell a “hateful pig.”
“Our friend, John Aravosis called Falwell a ‘hateful pig.'”
Personally, I have to agree. Just look at some of the things he has said over the years:
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
(Remind me, why does WBC dislike him? Isn’t this one of their doctrines?)
“Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America.”
“But I don’t believe anyone begins a homosexual.”
“Fred Phelps does not give the religious right a bad name, because nobody claims kin to that guy.”
“God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.”
“Homosexuality is Satan’s diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America.”
“I am saying pornography hurts anyone who reads it, garbage in, garbage out.”
“I believe that global warming is a myth. And so, therefore, I have no conscience problems at all and I’m going to buy a Suburban next time.”
“I believe that the people of Israel are the chosen people of God.”
“I truly cannot imagine men with men, women with women, doing what they were not physically created to do, without abnormal stress and misbehavior.”
“If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being. ”
“Textbooks are Soviet propaganda.”
“The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
“There’s been a concerted effort to steal Christmas.”
“We will see a breakdown of the family and family values if we decide to approve same-sex marriage, and if we decide to establish homosexuality as an acceptable alternative lifestyle with all the benefits that go with equating it with the heterosexual lifestyle.”
“The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America’s free enterprise system and our economic stability.”
“It appears that America’s anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men’s movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.”
“I sincerely believe that the collective efforts of many secularists during the past generation, resulting in the expulsion from our schools and from the public square, has left us vulnerable.”
(On 911) “…throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad…I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America…I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.”
“[Homosexuals are] brute beasts…part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”
(On 911) “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.'”
“I believe that the people of Israel are the chosen people of God.” Man, I’ll bet that little comment really hurt some feelings in Israel. Which will probably mean that the avocados I like, the Israeli grown Hass, will now cost more.
And that Rev. Falwell didn’t like Fred Phelps either just proves what a rotten person he was. But everybody knows it was The Grinch that stole Christmas, not the pagans, et al.
“And that Rev. Falwell didn’t like Fred Phelps either just proves what a rotten person he was.”
Other way round. Falwell never mentioned Phelps, to my knowledge. But Phelps must have something against Falwell, as he has announced a funeral protest.
Did you even bother to read the list you published in the comments, “Fred Phelps does not give the religious right a bad name, because nobody claims kin to the guy.”
i-ron-y n, use of words to mean the opposite of what is said; event, situation opposite of that expected.
Pat, The irony of the kin-less Fred Phelps is priceless — sometimes not all the barren are blessed.
(Phelps does have estrangled sons, Mark and Nate. Although Mark and Nate might well claim Fred Phelps is indeed barren — certainly Fred Phelps philosophies.)
I think another Alert Reader Suricou might be confused about Fred Phelps and that no right-thinking citizen endorses Phelps and his politics (hating Ronald Reagan) or Phelps’ tactics (picketting war hero’s funerals).
Waitaminute…is Fred Phelps a closet…liberal?
Alert Readers should also note that Your Business Blogger does not agree with every comment — and it would be the Foolish Reader who would be opposite Pat Patterson.
Fred Phelps has four estranged children, two males and two females, but still leaves him enough for a basketball team and four benchwarmers. His oldest son Mark, described the church as paraphilia(yes, it is as disgusting as it seems) for his father.
I think you may be on to something about him being a closet liberal, as he supported Castro and Saddam and ran for public office in Kansas five times, all on the Democratic ticket. David Duke’s liberal doppleganger?
Yes, Phelps contributed to democratic candidates a few times. I think he was a bit more sensible back then, but he started to get more and more angry and homophobic – and now he hates both parties equally. Given that he is a one-issue voter though, I find it unlikely he is still voteing democrat now – if he still votes at all.
Political sides have their embarassments. The right has Phelps and Coulter. The left has people like the Optimum Population campaign.
My mistake, overlooking the quote regarding Phelps. Now I see it, this does explain why such a strong dislike runs both ways: Falwell sees Phelps as a threat to the credability of the religious right, while Phelps… well, Phelps hates everyone, but he seems to have really taken it personally when Falwell spoke badly of him.
Phelps is still a registered Democrat, he began his career as a civil right attorney fighting Jim Crow laws in the South. Up until 2000, after the Matthew Sheppard fiasco, he was still listed as an organizer for the Kansas Democratic Party. He was invited and attended both of the Clinton Inaugurations as a reward for his work for the party.
Claiming that Phelps is an embarassment to the right is simply an ill-informed and lazy canard. Phelps has hated Falwell every since Falwell appeared at Mel White’s Soul Force meeting and reitereated that he could still love the sinner but not the sin.
I mean its bad enough the right does have its share of crazies but in this case Phelps must remain safely on the left side of the spectrum, with Castro, Kim, and the PRC.
Plus its interesting that aside from some quotes from a PBS interview with Falwell a while ago most of the quotes attributed to him seem to exist only on left leaning web sites with no citations. Now these quotes do have the ring of truth behind them but where they were made is important.
“I mean its bad enough the right does have its share of crazies but in this case Phelps must remain safely on the left side of the spectrum.”
How are you able to classify on the left side of the spectrum someone whose *only* issue is ‘we need to kill the gays’? Being anti-homosexual is a signature position of the political right – its the right that opposes gay marriage, and pushes for constitutional ammendments banning it. Its the right that objects to anti-dicrimination training in schools. Its the right that opposes the hate-crimes legislation proposal (often by lying about it, in my experience). Phelps is just their particular right-wing position taken to a rediculous extreme.
You could call him an ex-left, I think. He used to support the democrats, though I dont know his precise views at the time. But today, if its possible to classify him at all, it would have to be on the extreme fringe of right – and offset in a dimension few can even comprehend.
Again, Phelps seems to care strongly on only one issue now: Homosexuality. I dont see how he can possibly support the democrats given that they take completly opposite positions on this one issue.
Falwell even had to explicitly distance himself from Phelps. Why do that, if people wern’t drawing uncomfortable comparisons?
“Plus its interesting that aside from some quotes from a PBS interview with Falwell a while ago most of the quotes attributed to him seem to exist only on left leaning web sites with no citations. Now these quotes do have the ring of truth behind them but where they were made is important.”
Ive seen attributions for a lot of those quotes, but many of them refer to his ‘old time gospel hour’ program, specifying a broadcast date. Thus verifying the quotes is possible, but inconvenient.
Suricou, Phelps might be closer in his biases to John Edwards than Falwell.
Bob Schrum recently wrote that Edwards “was uncomfortable those people.”
Which is interesting since Your Business Blogger is most uncomfortable with John Edwards.
And Edwards would not be comfortable with me either. Me being a pro-life conservative and all.
So when Rep. Cynthia McKinney’s father and fellow Democrat Georgia State Rep. Billy McKinney refers homosexuals as “faggots” he is secretly a right winger? And only a right wing anti-Semite would claim that his daughter’s loss in 2002 was because the “…Jews have bought everybody.” Obviously a guy, posing as a 30+ year Democrat, who really takes his orders from the Federalist Society.